Maybe he was hiding out, fleeing persecution, and was afraid of getting caught any minute. http://voynich.net/forum/index.php?sid=4d9925ad5796c550be7a647f0b1fd943, Voynich manuscript – a treasury of knowledge. I’m sorry. There has been plenty of scientific tests conducted on the origins of Roma people. Then if you could please take the first paragraph of folio 16r and produce a somewhat coherent paragraph like I have! To me, a naive observer, it is of the same form. Possible exception is statistical studies, but it’s ultimately a gamble whether one will find a genuinely useful pattern. Nick, valium? via various templates. <<< This is the important point. You needed two extra dots for your “F” so you added them arbitrarily from a loop that does not even have one dot in it. Reuben Ogburn used to have a website which listed those letters of which he was aware, but you now need to use the Wayback Machine to find it. Especially for something that may be explainable for those two words – just not yet because it hasn’t been worked out. Some attempt is made to tie successive doodles together in some form of progressive order such as with green water turning blue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euganean_Hills. The most significant of these confirmations is the papelonny pun. It’s not at all uncommon. @The Mysteries regarding Ciphers think tank group. No worries there, I have been bitten before, repeatedly. What always surprised me is why that should even be a problem. Why? I don’t quite agree with the Manchu suggestion and many others as I had tried those languages. Menno – re your suggestion that the ‘German website in English’ could be ‘extended’ to include my own work – frankly, I think my conclusions run so counter to the usual ones that their inclusion on that site would be inappropriate – beyond, perhaps, a link to my own sites. Everything is in one. Not strong enough to keep you motivated for years *and* remain a steady quality we have at hand. say Czeck history ,will you construct a phrase and pronounce it ? There’s a heavy presence for Andromeda in the sun of f68r1, https://www.reddit.com/r/voynich/comments/dk2366/paragraph_f68r1_voynich_manuscript/, https://www.facebook.com/groups/628027000717428/. Back to f67r – 12 (like 7 and 4) could be so many things in this context. Their sons or daughters are more likely to fit. I find this likely to be a volcano indeed. Well, Eliška ( Elizabeth of Rosenberg ). E.g., the script may well be enciphered Latin (or whatever you like). This is like anagrams however less words are found due to the dash & dot total key! Switzerland was rather a quiet zone during the 30-year war. Because the manuscript is written and encrypted in the Czech language. Protection requires an emotion. I agreed with that more than once. She is a possibility and it’s a pity that history has forgotten her birthday. Post is dated 23rd June 2013 at http://voynichimagery.wordpress.com. If “ng”, it seems likely to me that it will be preceded by an “i” in the final Romanized or Latinized translation of the VM. Would this pun work with the original Greek text? . Currently I am fervent dianese. Being that this cipher is in anagram format with a stable key, however perhaps that particular vord fits say ten Italian words which Wilfrid could string into a coherent sentence yet not perfectly though. You do not even stick to your own invented rules. I did not think the object had enough known history for the problem to be an historical one, as such. Sometimes you can read the previous Ex Lib and other times there’s not enough left to make out what it used to say, but the position of it in the book is frequently the bottom of the first folio, or on the preceding flyleaf, so sometimes one can see what it is by context. https://www.reddit.com/r/voynich/comments/fxxbcr/ms408_is_was_not_composed_between_1404_1438_yale/, Tom: I’m in the small group of people who have actually handled and examined the Voynich Manuscript closely, and I can say unequivocally that there was no coffee odour there at all. However, I can not agree with the main message of your article (if I understood this message correctly). That is true. But he writes that the same words don’t give the same morse rhythm. How to delete. lol :; To dye or not to dye. I have seen this done. Stephen Bax ♦ September 15, 2017 ♦ 15 Comments. I copy here the the link followed by the final paragraph ( I don’t want to annoy others here and waste time), For those interested in my response, here the paper/link: Wastl, Juergen (2014): Elements matter: The context and perception of classical and cosmological elements versus earthly and physical matter in the Rosette Map. (If you would like to comment, I’d prefer facts, reasons or complaints about the results which I have shown to be real and factual, not hearing your opinions about other things, please – or questions about other stuff you think you need answered or why your expectation of this or that other thing hasn’t yet been met.). The Secret History of the Rosicrucians – 3. It’s a provenancing problem – and its methods are not “mine” in the sense that my discoveries have been. If you go back in time and ask the author what the book is about, she will tell you, “I haven’t the slightest idea.” Ask her why she’s writing it, and you’ll get your answer, “Because the spirits told me to.”. Besides drums, there are also the smoke signals. In provenancing imagery, it is inappropriate to begin as if one were writing an undergraduate essay in the history of European art styles, because to do so one has to first determine whether or not the matter has come from European sources, and whether or not it belongs to the Latin European ‘renaissance’ period. It is quite a struggle to get through to amateurs fed the heroic tales of nineteenth century European triumphs that the world east of Suez had a very vibrant life and lines of trade into the Mediterranean long before da Gama was born. To accomplish it this promise of the interrogation of field subjects and about those manner for eating about their power learning from oneself condition about But I also don’t stop anyone from taking part in an obstacle course with a rollator. daikam, kdchody, shykeody, ksheodl, otodaram, dolaram, qotaldy, ykairolky, olkshed, darshody, kodshol, soleesos, qokcheol, qokcheol, teedaram, dchodees, dydaim. . I spent some time amongst academic researchers in the past, so I’ll assume I’m not *completely* wrong about them. I don’t know how to put this any more simply. As is so often the case before the uniformity which arose from printing: spelling variations abound. I leave it to the readers to debunk the remainder of you “decodings”. PS Roland I think you make perfect sense and it is logical to see why. Or maybe its read like Merlins writing….Can only be read while looking at it in a mirror. But others don’t have the luxury of that knowledge and repeat efforts fully expecting an innovation. My grandfather was the forger of the Voynich Manuscript! As to the author’s methods, they are progressive. Eye Rosenberg. And if it was, should not we argue that the cross shaped device on the crown also is not a Christian or Latin cross, because the general imagery does not support a European Christian origin theory for the manuscript? okchoy, okchey, potoy, chodar, chtod, cheody, ochody, fchoy, shees, dcheey, chkeey, qoteeeo, chotain, pchy, cheeky, chodey, ypch, ykchor, ytshy, sheal, som, chordy, olshy, alm, chkear, rchedy, shese, sheos, ofchy, rchody, chekey, chedar, cheedy, chekar, tcheain, sholy, cheoky, chls, chpy, oteodar, yshol, choeky, chokey, ochedy, okchar, tchod, keechy, choody, lotal, echedy, kcheey, kchoar, ytalar, fchey, todeeey, chpa, oeteody, ykecho, sosho, oteeody, chokar, ocheky, dorchy, ochoyk, oteeoky, aloees, oteedar, oteofy, topar, chefy, lam, lshey, okeolor, otedeey, oltal, oteeedy, odchey, chetain, eeesal, korchy, rcheky, lolol, kechey, lchs, okechy, opeol, lseeey, chofy, teols, sshor, ssheo, okeeeol, airam, soeees, sachy, chdeey, qocheo, alalor, tolos, cheoraiin, olkeeor, teodeey, porol, chedey, tched, talol, taim, otalair, polor, ycheod, oshso, ykcheo, otchd, iirchal, aralary. Be proud of your ancestor and namesake, Ger. Is this supposition on my part correct? However, it cannot make full sense. f68v2 I theorize is the Milky Way and the arm is pointing to the west at NGC or M31. I have conducted some searches but I can find no clear evidence of such a prohibition at any time or place. So, some source says, rosary of the seven pains of the Virgin Mary has 59 grains. This document is a complete hoax. So the minimum number is two, a pair. with spaces, and I’ll reassemble the link when I moderate your comment. If the text is ever deciphered it will be meaningless -other than to the author. (8) Prof Bax who had been working with the manuscripts came up with the finding of various zodiac signs after studying the pictures of the stars. If accurate and accepted, the results of Voynich Lite will probably blow a whole lot of the ideas of others about the construction of the Voynich Manuscript’s words out of the water, won’t they? Re your comment on the effort I spent: It took some time and effort (whatever somebody is willing to spend on a topic like this – I guess there are many hooked Voynichistas). If you have ever found yourself asking “Where can I found out about XYZ’s moderately-loopy-but-eerily-hard-to-disprove Voynich Manuscript theory?“, then you’ve come to the right place. Peter, if you look around the Web, you will see that a lot of people look at Tom’s translations and don’t bother to examine the logic and they BELIEVE the translation without any critical evaluation. May not even be true writing. You are not alone in trying to relieve your bewilderment by inventing the figure of an “author” to whom may be ascribed such qualities and flaws as absolve the viewer of any responsibility for their inability to understand anything in this manuscript, but though a common means for being able to feel not-so-stupid, it is essentially just the grown-up’s version of “it’s-not-my-fault, because Dolly-did-it”. It is further obvious that this work took hours and hours of time, for reasons most of the Voynich researchers are aware of and agree with. Michael: it is indeed possible to tie very complicated (and random-looking) cryptographic knots with a relatively small amount of creative effort. @Nick I thought of putting it in the ms, and perhaps I should have, because maybe you don’t get thanked very much for all your time and efforts . This struck me as being thematically similar to the Voynich Manuscript’s illustrations. *(1): 16 (Since then the library issued better scans, so some considerations in my post are now invalid, but this “get”-shaped something is still there). So the character P. It is also the letter F. So the word is read – Foco. ), Singapore stone. Assuming the original text wasn’t a hoax that fooled the Crusaders of my story to begin with. (For an example, google “great lines UK”). ‘the rich can afford action, beware rich cautions’. Because they are creating a house of cards, on a non-existent foundation, supported by flimsy ‘looks-like’ comparative imagery, and are driven by an agenda – even if only to virtually crowd-surf before they retire. 4)Two scribes are at work but both seem to use the same abbreviations and cipher substitutions so are likely working from an enciphered plain text. They occur in the same environments but contrast in meaning, like vowels do, for example. I even saw nine cornered. From what I understand, Elizebeth Friedman and others have stated that the Voynich Manuscript is not a single substitution alphabetic cipher. You use Morse code to. https://www.reddit.com/r/voynich/comments/da7eyy/andromedan_ngg31_found_f68v1/. EVA ‘yp’ ==> “hz” ==> “Hairy zizyphus”. That would be presumptuous. 4. What you have found might be isolated elements of cryptic heraldry. The glyphs (o,9,a and c) were for primarily for speed in his cipher whereas the (&) glyph gallows and its brother were for nearing margins and drawings. Read the text is very dificult. If the people really want to know more can yes synonymous with Google search. To the righ ( rightward ). And there it is – historical verification – in the VMs! Nikolai, I wanted to make a positive, optimistic and encouraging message, it’s done. I’m imagining the scene now. Even in medieval Europe a great proportion of imagery is abstracted, stylised, allegorised and represented in other that the rather mundane literalist style. Maybe he was in a hurry/panicking. Thus the author is following directions from a supposed external source as she patiently constructs her book symbol by symbol. Just so you know.” Definitive proof that my cipher is an axiom with Voynich studies But Bax has allowed this idea to be considered, too, and overall I don’t see why something of the sort mightn’t prove the answer. Given that (as I guess) your grandfather lived around the early-mid 1900s. And that was just the short version! Specifically, how that person managed to achieve that before anything as complex as polyalphabetic ciphers were invented. Nick wrote: “J.K. I’m investigating the underlying code of the VMS and still believe its Latin, but it uses some sort of algorithm which allows the letters to float. The words in Italian are canna, campo, pianta and menti respectively. He also has a fascinating take on the “Mystery of Oak Island”. Andromedan NGG31 found f68v1 @J.K. Petersen Yes, it’s a new version. Are they normally depicted with clothes or was it more like the work of Lucas Cranach the Elder ? Peter M: careful, you might be igloosing the plot there. Please excuse me if I did not understand your point correctly, but If your argumentation is that the VM is something not European, then the major weak point of it is that why then would its author write at least some of his marginalia specifically in German language. Tom uses the SAME TECHNIQUES for each new language. The Voynich Dictionary is only partially complete and probably will not be finished until right before Thanksgiving, just in time for Christmas. Italian Morse code… and next? My heraldic example is entirely different. MORSE_CODE_DICT = { ‘A’:’.-‘, ‘B’:’-…’, Somebody somewhere mentioned that the prone, distorted bellied lady on another page may have a breech position baby, where we know the foot and leg will be born first. “oldas” means the act of solving, while “oldasa” means the act of solving this or that particular something. .. .-) is a total of 3 dashes and 5 dots. In the manuscript there is information about “the Holy Grail”. you and the hidden letter list, not that I’m blaming you) and end up duplicating it. So I’m asking if there is anyone with funding to hire a few excellent python programmers which I could work with. Cranach the Elder has nothing to do with the VMS. but no syllable expressing”. It is so obvious, that a reconstruction in this particular case is feasible. (I’d explained a lot more, and identified about 20, I think – but again.. ). Here a user “escape” from Voynich Ninja, mentions that he is using Turkic. After the Romans invaded Britain, they improved their rowing technique at Cambridge. if, someone was tried to make fragmentation to prime number 59. but 16, 18, 14, 11 numbers are not coralation. Then, all of a sudden, like in a curious optical illusion picture, I could see a foot. Though some believe the Voynich manuscript to be a hoax, its vellum has been carbon-dated to the early 15th century, and most scholars accept the text is contemporary. But I need to read Thing’s paper (so far I’ve only skimmed it briefly, which isn’t nearly good enough) before answering this more substantively. If you are interested, I am ready to send more detailed information, including scans of pages showing the translated words. On the one hand Tom claims he used a system of decipherment to arrive at his translations, but in the same breath he says, “All Michal [Voynich] did was count the total of dots and dashes and then quickly randomly used some glyphs associated with dots and dashes…”. If Tycho discovered Cassiopeia how did it get in the Voynich? As for Europe, Polemy claimed it was easy to track Crux across its southern course from Rome in his day, as big and shiny as the scales on a pangolin no less. You are obviously agitated by my findings. McCrone said the pigments are “not inconsistent…” (see pdf linked at Beinecke site__). • add the numbers to create a LIST of words that add up to the same number, ), Sanskrit. , Menno BD will be delighted that it has a table for “Nahuatl” (“o” does not predominate, however). My theory, to account for the bizarre way in which the course of Voynich studies moves, is that there are perhaps two or three people in the world with a genuine interest in the manuscript. or whatever is the true medieval form of the name of that plant, just speak 20th c. English. I’m the guy who actually seems to have first used the word “cryptoheraldry” in 2004, and even I’m not 100% sure what you’re trying to get at, beyond telling a story about various coats of arms that doesn’t quite seem to match up with other dating evidence. All Voynich needed to know was the sum of the Italian words used in Morse code as dots and dashes related to vords in the cipher. 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